Nathanaël Slama, journalist, Yaël Yadan

Nathanaël Slama : Since 2005, since Israel's disengagement from the Gaza Strip. We're now at the 35th operation. We're going from operation to operation, we call them 'mivtzaïm'. It's like in the supermarket where they have sales and promotions. We don't want another 'mivtza'. We want to win. We want total victory. What is total victory? It's a victory after which no one will question whether Israel has won or not.I still remember in 2014, during Operation...

Journalist : Protective Edge

Nathanaël Slama : Protective Edge. There was a question being asked : did we win or not? Knowing that Hamas now holds two soldiers' bodies and we've dismantled about half of Gaza did we win, or didn't we? That's the kind of question we don't want to ask anymore after this, uh this fight in Gaza. Today what we want is to win completely to totally eradicate the evil in the Gaza Strip

Journalist : What you want... The question is whether what you want is heard by the leadership. By the Chief of Staff, by the officers? Is there, when you're on the ground.I'm asking both of you :do you have feedback from your officers who, of course, thank you for being there, but is there a discussion?

Nathanaël Slama : There's a difference between Yaël and me, Yaël works in the Air Force and everything that happens in the Air Force is very monitored and very recorded

Yaël Yadan : That means there's a lot – excuse me for interrupting – we try to ask a question, we try to find out if we're going all the way what's going to happen, etc...and it's true that we don't get many answers even though we're on the front line it's true that many put us aside we try to find out what's going to happen, etc.and it's unfortunate that there are no answers but at the same time we can also understand that on the other side, the higher-ups also need to keep a bit of... secrecy, exactly. To avoid causing anxiety.

Nathanaël Slama :

But the difference between the Air Force and the ground forces, those on the ground is that there's less, uh... control over us. An example is the Shaboura neighborhood next to Rafah. We thought that, okay, maybe it would be bombed with a few bombs and that's it; No, now we have about thirty bulldozers working day and night, every day flattening the area Why? Because the intention is to say. Today, Gazans have nowhere to return to. Our goal is not just to win this war. But to win it by making the Gazan population leave this place by making them understand that they attacked us they lost the war. They couldn't defend themselves now they won't return home. They have nowhere to return to. And that's the reservists doing it! With the intention, of course of Israel Katz's plan, but let's not get into the controversy It's about making sure that the Gazans can return to the Gaza Strip But with a different leadership.

That's another question, but anyway, on the ground the fact is today that the Gazans today have nowhere to return to. They have nowhere to go. So, when we set up this emigration plan for the Gazans to other countries we can afford to think about it, we can afford to dream about it because on the ground we've put in place all the necessary conditions for this plan to be implemented